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Probably. But as a tool for communication - not really. And "tulpa" is such a label, I believe.
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well I would say imaginary friend and OC are almost indistinguishable in denotation but have very different connotations, so there can be more vague usefulness in communication
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 5/2/2023 3:05 PM
I disagree. labels can be comforting for some individuals, even if they are not easily understood by others
@Milk - jump funny you say that, wonder if you considered this: If you give the label a power to comfort gou, you give the power to others to cause you harm by invalidating you Address the need for label instead, all you get is freedom and long term benefits
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That's an interesting point of view.
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TiCtAc(✧×✧)
I disagree. labels can be comforting for some individuals, even if they are not easily understood by others
@Milk - jump funny you say that, wonder if you considered this: If you give the label a power to comfort gou, you give the power to others to cause you harm by invalidating you Address the need for label instead, all you get is freedom and long term benefits
i think thats a fair point but I dont think just because you adopt a label means you become so attached to it that invalidations cause you harm.
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 5/2/2023 3:06 PM
i’ve seen people having menta breakdown over it, you probably have as well
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yeah but thats not everyone who uses labels
3:07 PM
ive seen people have mental breakdowns about other people using labels too, so\
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I think its just an individual thing. How much stock you put in the actions and thoughts of other people
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I think that people invalidating you can be harmful even if you don't identify with the label. It's their intention that matters rather the label. Although I could imagine that not identifying with the label can help you ignore such acts of invalidation.
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 5/2/2023 3:08 PM
sure it’s not everyone. i’m not going to demonstrate how that could cause you at least discomfort
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of you put too much attention to labels, you give others power over your reactions
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I dont disagree. overattachment to labels can be harmful, for sure
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 5/2/2023 3:08 PM
i’m not saying you do btw
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Alejandro
I think that people invalidating you can be harmful even if you don't identify with the label. It's their intention that matters rather the label. Although I could imagine that not identifying with the label can help you ignore such acts of invalidation.
i agree. you dont need a label for someone to be rude to you over an aspect of your identity
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 5/2/2023 3:14 PM
try to give me an example how you can be rude to someone’s about their identity without a label
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i mean depending on how you define "rude" you can legislate against peoples rights. You dont have to identify as trans to suffer from things like the anti-trans legislation happening in the southern US and elsewhere, as its not just trans people who need things like HRT, puberty blockers, surgeries etc
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 5/2/2023 3:19 PM
that’s not identity related though
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also you know. People wont hesitate to use the r-slur or call people gay as an insult even if it doesnt apply to the individual
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Milk
also you know. People wont hesitate to use the r-slur or call people gay as an insult even if it doesnt apply to the individual
Yeah, that's what I meant
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TiCtAc(✧×✧)
that’s not identity related though
it can be. people with chronic illnesses who need those sort of resources usually have that chronic illness as part of their identity because of how it affects them daily
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 5/2/2023 3:20 PM
you are giving examples of giving power to someone else to react in certain way because of someone else’s labels
3:21 PM
identity is literally a set of labels
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i agree. you dont need a label for someone to be rude to you over an aspect of your identity
@Milk - jump which is why i disagreed with what you said here
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well people can still be rude to you in ways that has nothing to do with your personal labels
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 5/2/2023 3:21 PM
you said „your identity” but you show people reacting to someone else’s labels
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which is what I meant about the r-slur and name calling thing
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 5/2/2023 3:22 PM
well people can still be rude to you in ways that has nothing to do with your personal labels
@Milk - jump so you are giving power to people over you because of someone else’s labels
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no? they are saying those things with the intent to be hurtful. it doesnt matter what it is theyre saying.
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Yeah, people can react to other's labels too. Not just things they identify themselves with. How they react to being invalidated about labels also depends on individual.
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people can give you a compliment but still be rude because they meant it sarcastically. the meat of whats said isnt always what's rude
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Milk
uhhhhhhhhh there are no hard lines anywhere and we are all just little creatures in the primordial soup of the universe?
fourfiction 5/2/2023 3:23 PM
much existence
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 5/2/2023 3:23 PM
are you talking about rudeness or causing you harm?
3:24 PM
if the former, you are changing the topic then
3:24 PM
ir was about harm, not rudeness
3:24 PM
anyway got to go back to work
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If you give the label a power to comfort gou, you give the power to others to cause you harm by invalidating you
I agree with the fact about giving labels power though. The level of power you give them certainly correlates with the level of discomfort you can feel while being invalidated.
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it can still cause harm. Trust me lol. I mean people have said rude things to me that made me self conscious for years. I'd say thats harmful
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Label argument again?
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Rusty
Label argument again?
wait theres already been one before? lol
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so often
3:27 PM
sometimes i think people on this server just like to be contrarian lol
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 5/2/2023 3:41 PM
i’m a consistent anti-labelist
3:42 PM
nothing contrarian about that
3:46 PM
it can still cause harm. Trust me lol. I mean people have said rude things to me that made me self conscious for years. I'd say thats harmful
@Milk - jump i mean i would agree with that but it’s not what we were talking about
3:47 PM
Label argument again?
@Rusty - jump this is tulpa-discussion, if you are looking for arguments check tulpa-arguments
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TiCtAc(✧×✧)
labels don’t matter
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 5/2/2023 4:56 PM
Why do you like soup so much!
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me when someone on a witchy/metaphysical server im in asks about tulpamancy and if its cultural appropriative lookingdownsmile
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Wait they really say that??
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Milk
me when someone on a witchy/metaphysical server im in asks about tulpamancy and if its cultural appropriative lookingdownsmile
what happened after that?
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Zekribs
Wait they really say that??
Yes lol
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Yuka
what happened after that?
I gave them a decently long history of tulpamancy and how it’s only tangentially related to Buddhism. And they responded with a vague “I’ll make up my ideals with more research”
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Which was a weird thing to say but
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Let me guess because the term comes from budhism it has to be cultural appropiation?
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Zekribs
Let me guess because the term comes from budhism it has to be cultural appropiation?
Ding ding ding
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berockly (TTG) 5/2/2023 8:26 PM
Man, wait till they hear about how english steals other languages words
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And then doesnt even use them correctly
8:26 PM
Theyll start boycotting english!
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what if the tulpamancer is buddhist?
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berockly (TTG) 5/2/2023 8:26 PM
(And we wont have to listen to them anymore)
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 5/2/2023 8:27 PM
Imagine prohibiting everyone not buddhist from doing a certain thing with their own brain... Wait, woudnt that actually be much more discriminatory?
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berockly (TTG) 5/2/2023 8:28 PM
No If you pointed them out youd be making shit up for no reason to try and make them a bad guy AHEM
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I tried to explain how people sometimes stumble into tulpamancy without knowing a thing about the term/community but who knows if it got across to them
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every single time I hear an argument against "cultural appropriation" in any context it just sounds like segregation
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berockly (TTG) 5/2/2023 8:28 PM
It basically is
8:28 PM
"Stay within your own lane"
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 5/2/2023 8:28 PM
Has cultural appropriation not ben segregation at any point in time?
8:29 PM
I would say by deffinition it is... (edited)
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 5/2/2023 8:29 PM
me when someone on a witchy/metaphysical server im in asks about tulpamancy and if its cultural appropriative lookingdownsmile
@Milk - jump is it more appropriative than witchcraft?
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TiCtAc(✧×✧)
me when someone on a witchy/metaphysical server im in asks about tulpamancy and if its cultural appropriative lookingdownsmile
@Milk - jump is it more appropriative than witchcraft?
Lol. Should have asked that. Wicca in particular is contentious because of its sordid history.
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TiCtAc(✧×✧) BOT 5/2/2023 8:30 PM
not too latw
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unless they banned you
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Nah they didn’t but they might if I said that (edited)
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The witchcraft community is always trying to cannibalize itself tbh
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Even without me poking the bear
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berockly (TTG) 5/2/2023 8:32 PM
I think its funny that both sides of this think of the other as hypocritical
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 5/2/2023 8:32 PM
Sounds like a fun community to hang arround 😅
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berockly (TTG) 5/2/2023 8:32 PM
Sounds tasty
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berockly (TTG)
I think its funny that both sides of this think of the other as hypocritical
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 5/2/2023 8:33 PM
Noone here thought that witchcraft really is cultural apropriation...
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Well even within the broader “witchcraft” community, there’s consensus that certain practices are closed and shouldn’t be partaken in unless you come from that culture or are initiated into the practice. Mostly because of the history of how those practices were treated.
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 5/2/2023 8:38 PM
Thats dumb tbh...
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berockly (TTG) 5/2/2023 8:40 PM
No, i mean in general
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People who think it is versus those who dont
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I mean personally I don’t think so. Some things just aren’t meant for everyone. That said, I don’t think tulpas fit into that category (edited)
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 5/2/2023 8:40 PM
Oh no, someone else from another culture did it before... Now its locked to that culture... Sound like a bad MMO trope about class habilities lol.
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berockly (TTG) 5/2/2023 8:40 PM
Ngl
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Beehives created hlmes before we did
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How dare we have homes
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Bees*
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Now im imagining living Beehives building a house
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Milk
I mean personally I don’t think so. Some things just aren’t meant for everyone. That said, I don’t think tulpas fit into that category (edited)
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 5/2/2023 8:41 PM
Why would something that i might want to do without hurting anyone "not be meant for me" that sounds crazy discriminatory?
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 5/2/2023 8:42 PM
you can do it in other ways
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 5/2/2023 8:42 PM
"Some things are just not meant for certain races or cultures..."
8:43 PM
I think its obvious how that can go badly... (edited)
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It’s not that “some things aren’t for x y z” it’s that “this practice was nearly wiped out and holds special significance to a specific group who fought not to keep the practice from being destroyed completely”
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berockly (TTG) 5/2/2023 8:45 PM
Well....
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Isnt that a reason to practice it?
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😭
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Milk
It’s not that “some things aren’t for x y z” it’s that “this practice was nearly wiped out and holds special significance to a specific group who fought not to keep the practice from being destroyed completely”
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 5/2/2023 8:45 PM
you forgot the "And thus every other race/culture should be prohibited from doing it"
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